On Tue, 14 Jan 1997, Diane Wininger wrote:


> You are taking these insipid quotes from the extereme right and generalizing
> all anti-porn feminists as such. You use the same reasoning as my staunch
> conservative brother-in-law uses who tries to discredit the civil rights
> movement because he thinks that Louis Farrakhan is an idiot. 

You are comparing Margaret to an idiot.

> Again, I do not think that it is shameful to see a naked body or to see 2 or
> more mutually consenting adults engaged in sex. It's the CONTEXT in which
> the material is presented! If the material is free of sexism, racism,
> homophobia, and respectful to all parties involved, it's not offesive. That
> is what erotica means to me. 

The problem with this is that everyone sees material in a different
context. Your repectful may not be mine, etc...

> Margret: The surveys that included such things as being whistled at as sexual 
> >harrassment (rape was overstating my case) are usually touted by TBTN.  And 
> >speakers at TBTN marches frequently define the harrassment as a form of rape.
> >
> That's quite a large "overstatement"! It's statements like this one that
> leads me to believe that you think that rape is just a bunch of hype. I hate
> to break it to you but heckling by construction workers is actually a form
> of sexual harassment. What do you call it when someone is giving you an
> unwanted sexual advance? Well, maybe all of your advances have been wanted
> but not everybody else's are. 

Now that's just mean. Who decided a whistle was a sexual advance? Who gets
to decide this? Is a compliment a sexual advance? Is a whistle a course
compliment? If I think calling a whistle sexual harrassment is silly, does
that automatically mean I think rape is hype? Woooo Wooooo.


> And it leads
> me to believe that you think that rape and domestic violence are myths.  

And it leads me to believe that you leap to huge conclusions without a
proper warrant.

> Dworkin is not using porn to make money! I can't believe that I'm even
> wasting my time arguing about this. She has become well known by speaking
> out against the industry. Do you actually believe that she is trying to
> capitalize on that?!? Do you think that Martin Luther King was trying to use
> the civil rights movement as a get rich quick scheme? Some people are
> actually trying to get a message across.

Now, comparing MLK to Ms. Dworkin, that'l get attention.

> I don't have any more time to spend on this argument. I have to go and do
> some work. I'll try to respond to the rest of your comments later.

I wait, shaking my head.

J